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So far, so good. Also why doesn’t DPS just apply Phantom to all their skis at the factory? The factory grind on a capita DOA is gnarly. 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When I picked up the skis from the snow to click in again, I was a little surprised to see that quite a bit of snow was sticking to the bases. Fairness: DPS verlagerte die Produktion von China zurück in die USA. Through a combination of innovative design, smart marketing and chutzpa, DPS skis are now appearing on slopes more and more—in the backcountry and out. I skied entirely on my Blizzard Spurs which I had just treated with Phantom. I’d say that it delivers. Neue Webisode von The Shadow Campaign, altes, aber sehr gutes Muster! The skis I was testing had relatively heavy Tyrolia Attack 13 demo bindings, so picking the skis up didn't make them feel particularly light, but as soon as they were on my feet, they definitely did. Definitely wouldn’t stone grind the skin glue off, that probably wouldn’t work well and would gum up the stone. Genau! Overall, my brief experience with Phantom has been quite positive, and I’ll be treating some skis with it this spring to see how it handles warm days of touring. Das WPS-Modell A112 von DPS, getestet in Länge 184, hat bei Neveitalias Testern im Schnee von Livigno Carosello 3000 reichlich Zustimmung erhalten. Nice. It seems like the glide is about as good as universal wax, or possible as good as no wax. Any more updates on this for warmer snow? These things rarely get “recycled” and end up in a landfill or worse…. So enlighten me with your expertise as to how much UV is required to properly apply this treatment. not all of the blister staff commented on whether their test skis were new. DPS is essentially trying to provide the same feel and performance we get from skis with metal, but in a much lighter package. In regards to skin glue. DPS contends that one of Phantom's attributes is that it will save time in getting skis to the slopes. Share. Once I started heading downhill, however, that sensation immediately disappeared and I skied down to the next chair with great glide and overall performance. (I coach and don’t compete). jordtiernan . I just spent three days on the 18/19 DPS Cassiar A79 treated with Phantom on both very firm, early-morning groomers, and then on very soft late-afternoon snow at Taos, with temperatures ranging from around 25°F to well into the 40’s. In den nahen Ski-Resorts und dem angrenzenden Backcountry. The skis certainly don’t have the slippery freshly waxed feel of actual wax when standing and shuffling around (which is actually quite nice as it makes sidestepping and skiing downhill out on flat skin tracks in walk mode much easier). I’ve been out on the skis this year in slush and man made snow, and have found them to be just as slick as the day I put them away. Wish I could be more help but I’ve only skied my Phantom treated skis one day in May at Mt Bachelor. I have four days now on the Phantom-treated 18/19 DPS Cassiar 94, and I am extremely impressed so far with how the ski has glided on snow. i feel it paid off! Point is, I was pleased. 39K likes. Thanks all …. Thanks for the advice, as I am quite new to the process. Here’s what DPS has to say about the ski: “Carving is accessible with the Cassiar 94, but if one wants to give more focus toward those shallow storms, or being on the perfect ski a day or two after a storm — days where you mix in a good dose of crud and supportive, soft snow. But I wouldn’t wager a single dollar that this was actually true. Der „Koala“ ist die neue Backcountry-Freestyle-Waffe der Crew um Mastermind Ste­phane Drake.Der breite Twintip wurde den Teamridern Dash Longe, Piers Solomon und Santiago Guzman an die Boots geschneidert, deren Runs vor Krea­tivität strotzen. And if I continue to get this same degree of performance from Phantom as I get more time on these skis — i.e., if Phantom is still performing at day 30 as it has on these first 4 days (as it’s supposed to), then I will be sold. Temperatures where at 5 to 10 degrees Celsius, whatever that translates to in Fahrenheit. With its roots in high-performance powder culture, DPS has pioneered the use of aerospace carbon fiber and a sandwich construction to build skis that are lighter, stronger, and more powerful than conventionally-built skis. You bought it, you applied it, other people like it, you havent improved from a “reasonably strong skier”, you want you money back… its a waxless base treatment not an anti aging elixer. After having skied them in colder conditions where glide is not as much of an issue I was able to test them against another brand new untreated and unwaxed pair of ski in warm april conditions. The day that convinced me was nothing special. Blister does that with skis, a first impression review, then a more in depth review after spending more time with the product. One issue I am encountering is the gradual buildup of skin adhesive on the bases. FYI, I am not a “dirt baggy Backcountry.com customer”, I am a dirt baggy Kickstarter customer. The patience seems to have paid off though. Since you want me to enlighten you on how i guess you failed… first you said “I followed the application instructions to the letter” “Placed in full sun for three hours”. Have done about 12 trips or so on it. And we’ll definitely be keeping an eye on this as we spend even more time touring on skis treated with Phantom. I agree with bj25430 that getting all the residue off the skis is key to not having to ski off the excess residue. Photo courtesy of DPS When I got on the Zelda 106 Tour1 skis for the first time in the Crested Butte, Colo. backcountry, I immediately realized my so-called friends had lied. You pay a serious premium for the high-end materials and extensive R&D from DPS Skis—the Pagoda Piste 90 costs a double-take-worthy $1,299—but it’s hard to knock the final product. In the cold snow, the Phantom treatment seemed to perform well, and the glide across flatter sections was at least as good as other skis that I’d recently waxed with standard blue Swix CH6X wax (which has a temperature recommendation of -14°F to 23°F). The Shadow Campaign - Gone Big - DPS Skis. A list of ski reviews for DPS, ordered chronologically. I personally would recommend the phantom to be applied by a dps dealer is all. its to get off as much remaining material of phantom as possible after the “cure” process. My only concern now is the issue folks seem to be having using it on “new” bases. Had no problems. Designed to separate you from your money. It took at least two full days (roughly 6hrs of good direct sunlight/day) in temperatures right around 2°C in order for a cure. Kategorie des Herausgebers Freeride. We had 3 days entirely in the back country and I did not experience any issues with the skins not sticking to the base of the skis. After using the product myself and and reading many more reviews by blister and other people with strong tech knowledge it sounds like a bad application to me. Test 2019 skis. Guess which ski? In our case, we have mostly given up on alpine wax. Rather than grind the skis to deal with this (expensive and too frequent), I am looking into the possibility of wiping down the bases with a rag and mineral spirits, which works for other skin glue cleanup. The newer ski glides much better than the older one after about the same number of days. Modell Alchemist Wailer 112 RP2. My takeaway from reading the reviews here is that most people really like the product and it sounds as if the people who didn’t have good results either had self-application issues (temperature, amount of available UV, pre and between-step cleaning A to B process) – or simply weren’t impressed with the warm-snow glide. To weigh in on this, I was also very excited about phantom and bought it to apply on my brand new skies. I think with Phantom-treated skis, it is even more important to keep your bases out of the sun during transitions to mitigate icing. So keep an eye out for updates, but so far, so good. Hello there, just bought a package of phantom and just wondering if I better apply it now before mounting the bindings to a pair of Head Kore or the scratches and possible mishandling of the shop may affect the applicationBy the way, are there places that sell the phantom for a discounted price? Die Skihersteller entscheiden hierbei eigenständig, ob sie am DSV skiTEST teilnehmen, und wenn ja, welche Kategorien sie mit welchem Skimodell bestücken. I just returned from 14 days of skiing in Japan we did a good mix of resort, side country, and back country. They expected to find tip chatter equivalent to the Rossignol Soul 7 HD or the Line Sick Day 95 but were excited to find the big shovel upfront stayed relatively solid. I hope this helps anyone who was thinking about buying Phantom. The interesting thing to me was that even when it hit real wet patches the board didn’t grab but had a more reliable slow down. I wouldn’t care about this while shuffling through a lift line, but I did actually worry about this description given that I tend to spend a good bit of time in some steep, techy terrain — would Phantom-treated skis suddenly feel “stuck” when making — or landing — a tight jump turn? The idea of not waxing my splitboard every few rides was very appealing. I’ve probably got 15+ days on both pairs and I plan to apply it to all of my skis. After only a few days, I’m definitely not ready to fully endorse all of DPS’ claims about Phantom, but so far, things seem to be working as advertised. Its easy to apply, but you have to put the skis out in the sun for minimum 3 hours with bases up. I have not suffered a build up of snow on my base in warmer temps as yet. Its a UV cure chemical. On snow, I’ve had a very similar experience as Paul. I am a reasonably strong skier that likes to go fast, and when friends can pass me as if I were standing still, that is when I decided this stuff is BS. First day we had 8-10 inch of fresh powder. DPS Foundation Uschi 82 2018 Ski Review. In our review of All-Mountain Skis for Men, the Wailer 99 in DPS' "hybrid construction" won a Top Pick Award for powder performance. Blister reviewer Paul Forward now has over 6 days on the DPS Alchemist Wailer 106 that has been treated with Phantom, so he is the first to offer his initial impressions. I have no reason to believe that it didn’t perform as advertised. 2018. DPS Skis führt auch in diesem Jahr die beliebte Webserie "The Shadow Campaign" weiter und darum sind wir mehr als nur froh! I left mine out for the full day for each part, because I heard of skis that did not fully cure. I was also curious about the storage issue and decided to leave the skis untouched all summer with bases dry as a bone. Click for the DPS ski review archive. In the fall, it marks the approaching ski season. For 100$ i feel they could have done better with that. The mixed reviews of the DPS Wailer F99 resulted in the ski’s Overall ratings coming in around the middle of the All Mountain Category. Compare the best and latest DPS skis with expert advice from ski reviews. DPS is a small Salt Lake City-based manufacturer of skis, skis poles and apparel. also, fairly universal reports that it does not apply well to used skis make a factory application seem like a more practical(and MUCH cheaper) method. Testing the 2020 DPS Alchemist Wailer 100 RP skis. That is why I decided to give Phantom the full benefit of the doubt and ski on it the entire season before critiquing it. I would say that this description exactly reflects my experience so far. It seemed like a lot. I’ve now had another 15 days or so on the DPS Wailer A106 treated with Phantom, and I’ve remained impressed. I think Phantom is great for splitboards, which traditionally can take extra time scraping out wax from the hardware so it does not stick to skins as well as the regular wax scrape off. Are there any benefits to waxing over a phantom treatment? Článek o skitourguru.com: Na trhu je v súčasnosti veľké množstvo lyží a môže byť veľmi náročné si vybrať to správne pre svoje potreby. at the very least six hours per day. I’m not sure what conclusion to draw here other than perhaps the application does not take quite as well to an older base. If so, I would appreciate any update on how it is going. Stephan and Jeff go over the development of Phantom and the details of how it works: And we are now putting time on several skis and boards that have been treated with Phantom, and will be posting updates here as we continue to get more time on the product. My opinion is – don’t waste your money! DPS's ventures into the far ends of the randonnee galaxy began when founder Stephan Drake found himself chasing winter in the Chilean mountains, looking for a ski that would perform as well on re-frozen Portillo crud as it shredded in the Colorado blower that he knew from his college days. I have Phantom on 3 skis now, and have a full season on my first pair. what do you think will happen if you treat a ski with Phantom, ski it all season, then leave it over the summer with no storage wax? The skins have behaved just as if I had been using an unwaxed, untreated base — which is exactly what I want. right off the lift into deep powder, in the trees, the skis worked great. No run to ski off excess Phantom. full sun in summer. Even after the powder was skied over and groomer runs the next morning, no problems at all. Absolute top speed in cold snow might be marginally less but still plenty fast enough to scare the bejesus out of you. In other words, I got the feeling that the amount I wiped off was equal to the amount I dripped on. I had the bases stone ground and left unwaxed. Overall, I wouldn’t make any changes to my initial impressions. or maybe do 177 by 93, 177 by 78 and 177 by 115 with 2 kits? Do you think you deserve your money back after using the product all season? You need a close to bluebird day for this. I skied 5 of those days with DPS Phantom for the first time. skin glue stuck to ski base is one of the problems i had really hoped phantom would prevent. Performance: I’d be interested to see what it could do to some old, beat up skis that just aren’t holding their glide on traverses or floating well. I just got back from a 7 day ski trip at steamboat, co. I’m the kind of person who waxes once a week or more. The 179 cm length I was testing is typically right up my alley at 5'10 and 150 lbs, and for a ski … When skating or going slow, just good glide. DPS skis have a great reputation and a robust following. This model is essentially identical to the Wailer with the same balsa wood and carbon fiber construction, rocker/camber/rocker profile, and width dimensions. Lyže a ich tvary. Why wouldn’t other ski manufacturers license the product and do the same? The base didn’t seem to pick up as much dirt and grime as other boards there and I was able to ride comfortably through the park and had few issues with speed until it was 75+outside. Ski Review.com - Copyright Starski 2003-2020 Privacy | RSS. Find helpful customer reviews and review ratings for DPS Skis Phantom Treatment at Amazon.com. next you said ” Each day the product sat in full sun from about 10am until dusk” (hmm…). A quick brush with my glove tends to easily clear the base. Recently, things got a bit warmer with temperatures in the high 20’s to low 30’s, and we received 10-12” of high moisture-content snow. I’ve spent several days touring on the Scott Superguide 105 that I treated with Phantom myself. The Foundation choice will feel damper, smoother, and more forgiving than the Alchemist, yet also less reactive and energetic.” Marke DPS. It maybe — maybe — was the case that on Taos’ long return trail (“Around the World”) that takes you from chair 4 back to chair 1 at the base, maybe the Cassiar was a bit slower on long, flat sections than some of the other skis I was on? DPS Yvette 112RP2 (2015) Ski Gear Reviews. i ditched that worthless cork /nylon brush DPS includes in the package and got my robust Nylon brush out and went to town on the skis. Other than not getting wax on skins, do you really think it performs much better or can you possibly distinguish it from a fast, high quality base? Any feedback would be appreciated! We design the world’s most advanced skis. DPS Ski. think i could do 177 by 93 and 177 by 78 with a single kit? I do it all the time for people (95% g3 skins), usually take a few passes to clean it up. Völkl Atomic Fischer Rossignol Elan Dynastar K2 Blizzard Head . DPS Alchemist Uschi 85 2018 Ski Review They were stored in a basement, so damp and cool with out sunlight. what is worth more : 3 hrs of your time, or, $120 ??? Ski waxing can be a social event or a good reason to dissappear into your workshop. Throughout the day, the base treatment worked great, and the only time I had any other thoughts about it was while doing a beacon drill during which I took off my skis for about 30 minutes. Alex: any update on Phantom?? Umweltschutz: In den USA unterstützt DPS die Umweltinitiative "Save Our Canyons." Are you sing Phantom 2.0? The DPS Zelda 106 comes in two different construction options: the Alchemist, a heavier ski meant for the resort, and the Tour1, lighter-weight and designed for the backcountry. Both prepped the same with a stone grind and applied in similar conditions. I prepped the skis by crayoning the wax, ironing it on, using fiberlene to absorb it, then rotobrushing -- a process that takes about 20 minutes from start to cleanup. I’m sold. “I would have liked to have somehow saved the product that I wiped off the skis” The first thing I noticed when I got off the tram and clicked into the bindings was that the skis felt a little sluggish as I was pushing away from the tram deck. Since professional skier and ski designer Stephan Drake and leading ski engineer Peter Turner founded DPS in 2005, the company has been dedicated to crafting the perfect skis for those who live and breathe the slopes. At least for my 5 days of sking the skis felt great. Der schön gestaltete Wailer Tour1 vereint die stärksten Eigenschaften der Marke im Tourenski Test: Der Tourenski ist beeindruckend leicht, hat eine großartige Form für eine reibungslose Abfahrt und eine langlebige Konstruktion. I planned to use them in March so I used the best sunny days i could get in February in Germany with 5 hours of sunlight and only little clouds each. The Phantom was very easy to apply but a little time consuming. I called DPS and asked what the main goal was after the “B” application. Does make a difference at colder temperatures though. I’m not positive that the skis would have iced up if they had not been treated with Phantom, but I suspect that it wouldn’t have been as bad (neither of my partners had serious icing issues with their standard-waxed skis). Overall, I thought the skis felt very quick, and on firm snow they felt just as good if not better than any other skis I was on that weekend. I’ve always enjoyed the ritual of waxing of skis. Be patient and cure them in the best possible conditions, i.e. They worked as a fresh wax ski would. It sounds as though Robert committed himself to using the product for an extended period to give it a fair shot and his skiing suffered as a result. They might be slower on the traverses but once they point their skis downhill, you won’t be hearing any complaints. By the way, the brushes supplied with the treatment were absolute crap. We will be getting some other reviewers on skis and boards that have been treated with Phantom, and will be providing updates on how Phantom deals with different types of climbing-skins glue, how it performs in different temperatures, and do some A/B comparisons with traditionally waxed skis. On one occasion, I had ice buildup on the bases during the transition from up to down. yes im super cheap but its my nature to always hack the system. My speculation is that February in Germany just doesn’t have enough UV-radiation to cure the things. I appreciated his review because honestly, if the application process is THAT finicky I don’t want to spend a hundred dollars and have it not work because somebody slammed a door or exuded a negative vibe in the direction of my skis while it was curing. TIA. I was skinning with my A/B test setup, the sun warmed my skis. Unlike you Spencer, I do not rush to judgement about anything. In the case of the Pagoda, every piece has a quality look and feel: the sidewalls are sturdy and should have an excellent lifespan, the textured top sheet is both beautiful and durable, and DPS packed in two … Most skiers/boarders have their own kit. And we are now putting time on several skis and boards that have been treated with Phantom, and will be posting updates here as we continue to get more time on the product. The good news is that I experienced no such thing on entrances where getting stuck or bucked would have likely resulted in a slide down terrain where a self-arrest would have been quite difficult. Shortly after I received and mounted the Phantom-treated DPS Alchemist Wailer 106, Southcentral Alaska experienced a relatively cold spell with temperatures in the single digits (Fahrenheit). obviously, specific waxes in extremes will outperform phantom in circumstances and be faster for racing; my customers understand that. I’m going to do a separate writeup on the application process, and here, I’m going to stick to performance. your entitled to your opinion on the product, but I dont think you can reasonably ask for your money back. The swing weight is noticeable as soon as you click into them. Which is again the single best thing I can say about my experience of Phantom so far: when skiing steep, techy terrain or maching down groomers, I really don’t want to be thinking or worrying about my ski bases at all. I too was in Germany and will say the cure process, though UV activated, is certainly affected by temperatures. We were doing a lot of ski swapping over the past four days, and I can say that the Cassiar 94s felt fast, and no ski I was on (well, other than the HEAD i.Speed Pro, which is simply a search-and-destroy missile of a ski) felt noticeably faster or offered better glide. I have yet to receive negative feedback from any customers about phantom so far( i use it myself). During the season, it harkens the call of a powder day or the anticipation of an extended trip deserving of fresh glide. I’d say that it’s a winner. As DPS says the first few runs the skis felt sticky on the snow, almost like I had climbing skins on but after a few runs that quickly went away. My guess is that you cant scrape and buff skis properly in the first place (chris, the wax and buff process isnt described as finicky either, but it sucks to suck). My only “unusual” experience was skiing fast through a big shallow puddle of water, the skis really slowed down at first, then it felt like someone let off the brakes and I started gliding again. You can defiantly tell a difference when standing in the lift line but as soon as you start moving things quickly change and they feel freshly waxed, within a few days everyone else s wax had worn off and I was quickly out running them to the goods. 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